tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4739713151901293558.post9103787001030196726..comments2024-01-31T16:23:51.283-07:00Comments on Keye Commentary: The Middleman ChoiceJames Keyehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11059210373687674369noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4739713151901293558.post-74947204918480806472009-02-06T21:26:00.000-07:002009-02-06T21:26:00.000-07:00There are two primary meanings of artificial: huma...There are two primary meanings of artificial: human made and thus not of nature, and fake or imitation. The formulation of CSO and LSO gives a basis for the distinction between “natural” origin and human origin. My meaning is that the appearance of our absolute dependence is belied by the fact that this is a new condition in a long history of humans being more or less independent actors in their ecologies, following the biophysical rules of ecological balance as manifest in cultural designs and thus completely free to be species actors. Our dilemma today is that we are both collectively and individually dependent on an economic design that violates biophysical reality and thus denies us the possibility of acting as fully functional biological entities. We cannot, and would not especially desire to, return to the tribal communities from which we came, but still we can and must redevelop a way of living within biophysical reality.jkeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00944623691510942147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4739713151901293558.post-7503117002197697412009-02-04T14:50:00.000-07:002009-02-04T14:50:00.000-07:00Your play on eco-logy and eco-nomics is great. I ...Your play on eco-logy and eco-nomics is great. <BR/><BR/>I would like you to explain the artificiality of our dependencies found within the economic constructs of our time. How are they artificial? Your last paragraph alludes to your next essay. I wonder if my inquiry will be answered there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4739713151901293558.post-39449667092136637922009-02-02T11:26:00.000-07:002009-02-02T11:26:00.000-07:00I'm fascinated by the secret fatalism that lies at...I'm fascinated by the secret fatalism that lies at the heart of the reigning paradigm -- if we can't gods, why even try to be good?<BR/><BR/>I think this unexamined attitude speaks volumes about our immaturity as homo sapiens sapiens. You can just see the red-faced toddler insisting that if ice cream isn't first, then to hell with dinner...Michael Dawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353560855423670828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4739713151901293558.post-21458535090017748282009-02-01T19:26:00.000-07:002009-02-01T19:26:00.000-07:00dADDo,The primary human adaptation takes humans ou...dADDo,<BR/><BR/>The primary human adaptation takes humans out of the Living System of Order – the controlling mechanisms of other living things. Humans can and do function on a system of order new to the biosphere. This is of profound importance.<BR/><BR/>It is certainly true that in the normal course of events humans are just another species and when no longer adapted to the environmental reality will disappear. The new system of order has an impact on this formulation, but doesn’t change it.<BR/><BR/>It is true that humans cannot be omniscient or omnipotent enough to control our consequences in detail, but we can use our adaptations to inhibit our actions and discover new paradigms that reintegrate us into the ecology. Will we? Probably not. Is it worth a try? What else have you got to do? Sounds to me like about the only real fun left.jkeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00944623691510942147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4739713151901293558.post-64034609761784270242009-02-01T18:30:00.000-07:002009-02-01T18:30:00.000-07:00The natural system also relies on it's "middleman"...The natural system also relies on it's "middleman" (the fish relies on water which relies on the tide, which relies on the moon and so forth) and if Man is an intrinsic part of this system, how is whatever man does is wrong? The fact homo sapiens may die out as part of this process, due to their actions is surely immaterial to nature- it is just a part of the process?<BR/><BR/>It seems since we are capable of making moral judgements we, by default, try to change things which becomes a self-fulfilling feedback loop to no end. We will never be aware enough, in an omnipotent way, to allow for every consequence, intended or unintended. So why try?daddohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12404602580586745533noreply@blogger.com